Winston Churchill warned about dangers of radical Islam over 100 years ago

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By Mark Ellis —

Winston Churchill
Winston Churchill

Winston Churchill was one of the greatest leaders of the 20th Century, who served as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom during World War II and again from 1951 to 1955.

He was also a historian, writer and artist. He is the only British Prime Minister to have been awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature, and was the first person to be made an honorary citizen of the U.S. following the Second World War.

As an officer of the British Army in 1897 and 1898, he fought against a Pashtun tribe in the northwest frontier of British India and also at the Battle of Omdurman in Sudan. In both of those conflicts he had eye-opening encounters with Muslims. These incidents allowed his keen powers of observation and always-fluid pen to weigh in on the subject of Islamic society.

While these words were written when he was only 25-years-old (in 1899), they serve as a prophetic warning to Western civilization today.

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism (Islam) lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.”

Churchill apparently witnessed the same phenomenon in several places he visited. “The effects are apparent in many countries: improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.”

He saw the temporal and the eternal tainted by their belief system. “A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity,” he wrote.

The second-class status of women also grated at the young officer. “The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men,” he noted.

“Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.”

Well before the birth of modern Israel, its terror tactics and drive for world domination were felt. “Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step, and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it (Islam) has vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”

Churchill’s quotations are from “The River War,” Volume II, pages 248-250, published by Longmans, Green & Company, 1899.

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  1. http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=71794

    “The passage is INCOMPLETE. It happens to leave out WSC’s praise of Muslim soldiers: ‘Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die …’ Then the rant resumes. …
    The CONTEXT . . . is missing. . . . [W]hat was it that set off WSC into a hyper-tizzy? It seems that the Muslim engineer driving the troop or supply train on which young Winston was riding had not maintained it properly and it broke down well short of its destination. So all that ranting about how abominable Mohammedanism makes its ‘votaries’, how degraded they become in their thought, how primitive in their treatment of women, bluster bluster bluster—all that vile undigested prejudice because a native engineer with a rudimentary knowledge of mechanics (remember, we are in South Africa in the days of de facto apartheid) did not grease and oil his steam engine as a good British lad trained at a Birmingham or Manchester technical school would have. One poorly trained, or maybe just bored and inattentive, native mechanic exposes the baseness of hundreds of millions of people. In Freshman Comp, reasoning like this gets a well-earned F.”

    • From looking over the Snopes information you provided, it appears there is a difference between the 1899 edition and the 1902 edition. Yes, it should be noted he praised Muslim soldiers and some of his thinking reflected prejudices of his time. However, considering the rise of militant Islam and the global threat it poses to Western civilization, credit should be given to his concern, however crude it may be.

      • How funny are you people. All religion is bull shit and too many people hide behind it to insight criminal acts. They all stem from the same roots. Catholics, Christians and Muslims are all trouble makers. Some worse than others with more radical views, but none are fair dinkum. How about we live in the real world, enjoy the moment and each orher if your still wondering why your here. Using this world to prepare yourself for a world you don’t even know exists makes complete nonsense. Let’s read some books that have been completely twisted and screw the world that normal people want to live in. When are people going to wake up to themselves and realise that RELIGION is the problem. They don’t even pay tax. The funniest thing about the whole argument you are having resolves nothing. The Islamic extremists laugh and aee only fueld by your gutless rants. KEYBOARD HEROES. Above all, if you people are that concerned about the world’s insecurities. Why are you bringing children into it as they are the ones you apparently care about. I don’t need religion or children to justify my existence. I know through my nature that there is somewhere waiting for me. ‘Would love to think that it is thirty virgin’s waiting for me in the garden of Eden”, But I live in the the real world….. cheers

        • Your knowledge of religion is laughable. No religion teaches that we go to the garden of Eden when we die. I am told Muslims believe in receiving 72 virgins in paradise not 30. The appealing lack of basic understanding of someone else’s position shows your post to be what it is pure bigotry.

        • I couldn’t agree more.There is.actually nothing wrong with any religion or.political system,it’s only when humans get hold of them and twist them suit our own personal beliefs.How many have been killed over the year’s in the name of God Allah,Odin Zeus communism democracy or whatever
          deity or system happens to be in vogue at the time.

          • What a stupid comment Ian. Religions are human constructs! They were ‘got hold of’ by humans from the word go. There are no deities, leprechauns or fairies at the bottom of my garden. But religions (man-created belief systems) have caused much human suffering down the ages and the aggressive, hate-filled religion of Islam is our number one problem today.

        • i concur with wakeup totally …. more please. – if there wasnt religion though the same people would be worshiping humpty dumpty and little jack horner … reality for them is just to much .. live die – gone … end of

    • There is no place for radicalized anyone in today’s society and there are more radicalized Muslims than any other religious group today. we get the on off christian bombing abortion clinics and so on… It is said that only 1-2 percent of Muslims are radicalized with over 1 billion people said to be Muslims worldwide it is a grave threat indeed.

      • Would / should we call those “Christians” christians? Christ himself said “love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you” (Matthew 5:44) so I think those “Christians” are in fact not Christians and murderers themselves. But the fact that the Koran instructs Muslims to either convert or rid the earth of unbelievers seems to point out the fact that at its very nature it is a religion of violence. Whether or not its follows seek to follow Mohammeds teachings in the same way I seek to follow Christ is (I believe at least) the difference between a peaceful world or one where we will see an ever growing occupancy and occurance of Islamic extremism- the ever growing form now being that of terrorism.

        • Excuse me! Just because you heard someone say that the Quran (mind the spelling!) said that doesn’t necessarily mean so. Please, Islam preaches peace and tolerance. Just because a fraction of the people do so, that does not mean the whole population is so.I agree that some policies seem incomprehensible in the modern world but believe me, they are all for the best. I myself become skeptical about my religion, Islam, but the true majesty of the Holy Quran and the foresight is mind-boggling. How could an unlettered person know about cars 1400 years ago? How could he tell of mountain roots when we today in this age and time ourselves dont? The prophesies alone will make a person believe. You should research more and not just burst out with half-truths. If even half of the teachings were implemented correctly worldwide, the world would be ten times better. And Muhammad SAW was a true follower of this teaching of Christ (Isa AS in my religion, Yes, we believe in him too). For Taif, where he was pelted with stones by teenagers, he prayed for the people, and now its a Muslim stronghold. At the Conquest of Makkah, it was bloodless and everyone was forgiven. These were the same people who had banished him, persecuted him, called him possessed and boycotted him for three years. So please research, you will be surprised.

          • Yes, but if we would follow the teachings of Messiah Yeshua, the world would be the best place to live! Equity for all, freedom for all, justice for all! The Koran even agrees with the bible in that Messiah Yeshua created the world! I will stay with the bible and Messiah Yeshua, not the Jesus that has been proclaimed around the world, to disobey the Creator of all mankind!

          • Whatever the Quran was to be obviously has no meaning in these Arab people today. The price their woman and children or anybody that does not believe the way they do is so barbaric in our culture. Rapping young boys and girls and lobbing off heads, arms, legs, torture, hanging, beating, stoning of innocent people. This is not the way you bring peace or correct what they call sin. Excuse me……… Look at what they are doing today, not what your so called peaceful muslims may proclaim. And why aren’t they protesting against these barbaric Acts. Get real.

          • The Koran ( can be spelt 2 ways,)
            Began by teaching peace then Mohammed said- forget what I said before just get on with the ‘slaying of Infidels at the neck etc.’ so YOU need to research. See CBNs leaflet ‘Islam- a religion of peace or war’ cbn.com
            Most muslims however moderate know this as it’s steeped in their culture and hate of Christians and Jews is preached in mosques throughout the Arab world including Turkey ( so called moderate country) which is why they do nothing.
            The religion destroys these good people like Winston Churchill said.

          • Can you please copy and paste the parts of the koran that preach peace and love. I cant seem to find them. perhaps between the kill jews and non believers bit. the doctrine has very very little to do with peace and love. the complete opposite is the truth.

        • All you have to do is look at the photo with that Muslim terrorist on the beach with an AK47. You’ll notice the people behind him , all Muslims doing ____ all, giving this lad room to do what he wants to western holiday makers. They are all together in this terrorism thing…It wouldnt be too far fetched to say that maybe some of them knew it was going to happen…do they condone it? No, Would the same thing happen on a western beach, no, the terrorist would be overcome at any costs. So you see its not a terrorist or a religious choice. its an in grown belief that those that are not with us are against us by the Muslims’ way of thinking. The time will come when the UK Government will act. What you are seeing now in the UK is nothing. In the future more resentment of the ever growing hatred from the Muslim will be enough to act for the good of the country when all the forces come together and rid the country of this problem. Its been done before, ref:King John 1290 c

          • The sooner we start the better. every day there are more and more atrocious acts. Hate preachers are allowed to spout vile words for years without punishment. it has to stop. Muslims are killing Muslims and this is not their country. People now fear for their children’s future and that is so wrong.

        • Well said. An essential difference between the faiths begins with the role of its central figure, Christ, as compared with Mohammed. A 7th century warlord, you might suspect, will advocate war, theft by raid, enslavement of captives and sexual assault of same, etc.

          The Christ motif, regardless of the actions of any adherents, is one of sacrifice and forgiveness…at the crucible of Christian existence is the ability to not resort to violence or wrongdoing to create a subject hood worthy of heaven’s beneficence.

          Many Americans and Eu’s make the mistake of thinking that islam is just like Christianity, and were they to read the koran and the hadiths, they might be shocked. I was. Apart from the self-serving nature of the revelations, coming just in time to justify one kind of barbarity or another, the values reflected in it had nothing to do with a belief in equality or love for your fellow man, or coexistence of beliefs, of any kind. THAT is a problem, when one wants to integrate refugees into a western world, those for whom our free democratic ideals are laughable and naive, as well as ‘easy’ to overturn, overrun, and overthrow, using the very freedoms they revile as their launch point, freedoms once they are in power they will surely deny you, and me, from ever enjoying.

        • It’s no different from the Judeo-Christian Bible and religion. In the Lord’s name Israelites and Christians committed the same atrocities, rape, pillage, burn, destroy and kill. Just like Christianity and Judaism have evolved into a more kinder, gentler religion, so have most followers of Islam. You can’t group them all into the same category.

      • They actually estimate that between 15-25% of Muslim are radicals. There is also nearly two billion Muslims.
        The invasion of Europe is just the beginning. The Muslim army is on its march towards global islamisation.

        • I totally agree tamara. I am a christian but i do believe we have to be very wise in discerning this islamic invasion it could usher in armageddon

      • ISLAMIC AGENDA IN A NUTSHELL
        As according to history and professional research.
        Without prejudice just FACTS.

        Islam is the world’s second largest religion. According to a 2010 study and released January 2011, Islam has 1.8 billion adherents = 25% of the world population.

        According to the Pew Research Centre in 2015 there were 50 Muslim-majority countries.
        These countries were formally non-muslim – the former non-muslim occupants are mainly dead as in Egypt /Turkey 97%Muslim.

        In Turkey a non-muslim person cannot join the police or military or
        hold any professional position in council etc., [100% discrimination against
        non-muslim]
        The small radicalised percentage that is often quoted is a
        dangerous 180 -300 million.
        quote from Brigitte Gabriel.
        “The radicals are estimated to be between 15 to 25 percent, according to all intelligence services around the world,” she said, in part, when asked by an American University head-scarf wearing law student about waging an ideological war with Muslims.
        “You’re looking at 180 million to 300 million people dedicated to the destruction of Western civilization,” Ms.Gabriel added.
        She added on a separate interview that it was the German radicals that kicked off Hiter.

        THE DEDICATED DESTRUCTION OF THE WEST?? YES ABSOLUTELY
        Islam has an agenda. It is a political and military affair.

        Notice also that Islam/Muslims are 100% Racist.
        The koran teaches that all the Jews must be killed so their Mahdi can return to earth. Behind the refugee’s flooding in to all other countries is that aim.

        Who ever claims it is not is invoking TAQIYYA

        TAQIYYA means ”lying to non-muslims to further the goal of Islam”

        The goal of Islam is to bring Sharia Law to the whole world.
        The cleanse the population of ALL non-muslims.
        [non-muslims are 2nd class and their word against a muslim criminal
        is null and void. hence muslim man can rape/steal from/kill a non-muslim
        person and ask for Sharia Court – According to The Koran no crime has been committed.
        And in fact the crime is as according to instruction of the koran.

        Cleansing it also of any who even had jewish blood in their ancestry.
        For this screening Turkey have already compiled a database indentifying who is who.

        Throughout the past 1,400 years of history Muslims have always arrived as ”the peaceful religion refugee’s” The phrase PEACEFUL RELIGION is arabic sarcasm as Islam has not had ONE day of peace or goodwill.
        The peaceful Religion is a TROJAN HORSE a phrase to dupe non-muslims
        and attack their town/communities/villages from the inside. And to dat has been successful in 100% attempts – hence the 50country muslim majority worldwide.

        REGARDING ISRAEL
        Due to ignorance the public are not aware that Israel represents the last tiny portion of non-muslim land – 8,000sqm. Islam has taken control of 500,000sqm of the middle east.
        Israel is surrounded by hostility due to the sole fact that islam wan to own ALL of the middle east. The former non-muslims of the middle east that owned land are dead to the total of [approx] a quarter of a billion people since Islam began its butchering & pillaging spree.

        The Agenda always begins…
        1. Peaceful religion arrives
        2. Accusations of racism etc
        3. Overpopulation begins
        4. As numbers grow
        raping/stealing/bullying
        5. pedophilia problem.
        6. Gangs & ghetto’s
        7. Taking over muslim only area’s
        8. Terrorism to control larger area’s
        9. Persecution & murder of non-muslims
        10.when n majority attack /kill/[as happened in Armenia]
        11. Takeover all land/property/assets/businesses

        There are muslims who do not want to be part of this, and escaped to the west
        but now the west has opened the doors and the persecutors are being welcomed in.

        Muslims are raised to believe that all non-muslims are beneath them
        and are no more than slaves.

        REGARDING SLAVES
        Slavery is a product of the Arabs.
        It was not Americans but Arabians who went to Africa in the 7th century onwards and
        abducted nearly 100 million black men women and children – 80 million died en route
        in the most horrific circumstances.

        ISLAM IS NOT IN THE WEST TO INTEGRATE
        BUT ACCORDING TO THE KORAN…ISLAM
        is here solely to kill and conquer from the inside.

        And when in majority always will
        PAY ATTENTION TO SWEDEN
        Sweden: “There are areas, where Swedish law no longer exists”
        The Swedish police recently released a map of 55 areas where they publicly admit to having surrendered control to the criminal gangs. These areas have long had problems with mailmen, fire trucks and ambulances being attacked when trying to enter, which has led to them routinely requesting police escort. Now it’s the police being attacked outright. A new trend is also to map out police homes and families to intimidate and discourage policework, police say.
        THIS IS ISLAMS AGENDA FOR THE WEST

          • LOL! The absolutely coolest thing about the concept: Bigotry, is that the very use of the word ‘bigot’; in defining another, is a literal demonstration of Bigotry.

            Islam is a manifestation of evil. And it’s 1400 year history demonstrates that Islam is not a religion, but a political death cult posing as a religion.

            Which fits hand in glove with the religion of the Ideological Left posing as a Political death cult.

          • Nice try, I have read it, have you, or are you praticing taquia. Truth is truth and your diatribe will not stand against truth.

        • I have read it. I began reading it, expecting the ‘religion of peace’ to fit right into the tradition of the ‘people of the book’. As a lit. major, I could see where the koran was consciously and clumsily trying to insinuate itself into the established Jewish and Christian mono-theistic religion. Mohammed needed the Jews to buy into his “I am a prophet” scheme, but they wouldn’t, saying they would accept “no substitutes” for the Torah, that he didn’t understand Bible history very well, and they also lightly mocked the arab, since they didn’t find in him a convincing prophet: no miracles, no predictions, nothing. And his ideas? Pedestrian, according to the Jews.
          Mohammed never got over the rejection. He obsessed over it. Finally, when the Jews had taken in Mohammed and his warriors after they were run out of Mecca, Mohammed made himself at home. In five years, he slaughtered the Jews, beheading over 800 men in two days in a shocking blood bath that caused even his close warriors to cringe and wonder….and of course, to make up for it, Mo had some more revelations, telling the muslims ‘they must fight’ and that ‘it is good for them, and they do not know what is good for them, but allah knows,’ and when finally they said, “Mo, we lived with these people, if they have done wrong to allah, o.k., but I don’t want to kill my former neighbors who took us in as refugees. It’s not right…” And lo, more revelations, this time, “It’s not you killing them, but me, allah, using your hands to punish them…”
          How convenient were this warrior’s supposed revelations from God?
          I couldn’t find more self-serving nonsense if I tried. Every time he was cornered….say, his ‘revelations’ began to contradict themselves after awhile, and people noticed, asking diplomatically, if perhaps ‘there is a forgery’ by satan in them somehow….not saying that “Mo, you’re making this up,” but you can guess they were thinking it from their questions to him!
          Sure enough, Mo gets more revelations. This time, the voice of allah says, “if there is a contradiction, the later verse, (the more violent, bellicose, murderous instructions) take precedence….and there goes all those nice verses about the Jews he ‘heard’ in the beginning, to be replaced by the “kill all the Jews,” and the famous Sura 9, The Verse of the Sword, which instructs the muslim to fight all unbelievers, until they 1) convert 2) agree to pay jizzya, a tax, to become dimmh, 2nd class citizens, and the tax is to be paid in a ceremony where Jews present the tax money, 20% of everything they have, to be presented to the mufti “on one knee, until he feels himself subdued” by muslims and 3) if they refuse, to fight and kill them.

          Sound like a peaceful religion?

      • Let me see: according to your post 2% of 1 billion leaves us with 20 million radical Muslims. Does that not scare Ray? It sure as hell scares me.

    • Ray, you’re full of it. You spin a good yarn, for the uninformed, but what you spout is nonsense.
      Winston had just been fighting the Pashtuns before rushing to Sudan to join Kitchner. There was a train but he was cavalry so he rode a horse and had minimal contact. The train crew were all British soldiers. He wrote those words in Sudan which is a long way from SA. Winston was involved in a train incident in SA a few years later, but Boer canon fire derailed the thing and again the crew were British soldiers. Your “facts” tell us more about you than about Winnie.

      Far from holding animus or racist sentiments towards people as you suggest Winston was a passionately concerned victorian who fought to end the Muslim slave trade both on the battlefield and off and worked for the uplifting and advancement of the poor and downtrodden in Africa. Everyone should read “The River War” by young Winston to learn about the threat we face today. The idea that “radical Islam” is the problem is shown to be wrong as it is an identical enemy to what Churchill wrote about in 1895. Fundamentalist Islam, Sharia is all about slavery and war.

      BTW that book made Winnie very famous worldwide and is quite an amazing read at less that 300 pages. The original was around 1000 pages but in 1900 the publishers finally convinced him to print the mini version. Love it!

    • LOL! Yet another Leftist comes to defend Islam from the observation born of years of experience described by Churchill, needing to discount such because of the incompetence of a Muslim, which provided him the opportunity, impetus and time to write it down.

      Proving once again that if Leftists could access sound reason, the Ideological Left would be extinct.

      In truth, Islam is a political cult posing as a religion. Its 1400 year history is one of mass-murder, rape and torture (actual torture… not to be confused with the Left’s fraudulent misuse of the word) and slavery.

      And it is governed by the same Relativism that the Ideological Left operates upon.

      The distinction between the Ideological Left is that; as noted above, Islam is Demonic Political Cult posing as a religion and the Ideological Left is a Demonic Religion, posing as a Political Cult.

      At the end of the day, Islam and the Ideological Left are a manifestation of the exact same evil.

  2. I think Churchill’s comments were right on target and are echoed by some of today’s former Islam converts. We must pray for their conversion. Yes, there are many good Muslims who have been blinded by untruths. The Great Commission must remain our goal.

    “The real Islam is the Islam that abuses women, that allows men to beat their wives, that imposes penalty tax on the religious minorities, that wants to dominate the world by subduing all the non-Muslims, that calls for Jihad and killing the non-believers until Islam becomes the only dominant religion of the World.

    http://www.islam-watch.org/AliSina/why_I_left_Islam.htm

    • Precisely…

      It’s a Paradox and it confuses most who are not aware of it.

      In truth, if we use the same reasoning that defines ‘The Good Christian”; which is to say Christians who recognize, respect, defend and adhere to the tenets and principles of Christ’s teaching. We will readily see that the “Good Muslim” is the one who murders or enslaves those who reject Islam.

      The “Bad Muslims” are those who peacefully reside with non-Muslims.

      Those ignorant of what Islam is, sees it as Evil needs them to see it. They see it in the fraudulent inverse… . And as a consequence, those people will never be capable of opposing Islam and will as a result, inevitably be consumed by it.

      Much is the same with the Left’s fraudulent use of their endless epithets, most notably, the paradoxical nature of the concept bigotry.

      Wherein the use of the word “bigot” in defining another, is a literal demonstration of bigotry.

      They’re ignorant of this natural law; because they reject the objectivity intrinsic to God’s law, thus they’re incapable of recognizing the truth inherent in such.

      And in this we can see the problem, and the deceit which cripples the means of those not in fellowship with the Father and the means by which they are willfully consumed.

  3. Interesting that this was written so many years ago.

    Can anybody explain what Churchill meant by “and were it not that Christianity were sheltered in the strong arms of science – the science against which it had vainly struggled – the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of Ancient Rome”.

    Unsure about Christianity’s relationship with Science when this was published or whether there is a hidden meaning.

    Appreciate any advice.

    Thanks

    DC

      • Battle of Omdurman: September 2nd, 1898
        Magazine article from: History Today
        …shelling of Omdurman by the British occupied the first day of the attack. In the process of testing a new explosive called Lyddite, the Mahdi’s tomb was targetted and destroyed. The Dervishes’ frontal assault on the British position the following day…

        • “THE MASSACRE OF THE ARMY OF Sudanese Dervishes on a plain near Omdurman in the Sudan was an occasion that a new military technology was tested — to devastating effect — by Britain in battle. It proved a major factor in Kitchener’s victory, in his efforts to reconquer Sudan from the Madhists who had killed General Gordon in 1885, as well as to safeguard the Suez Canal and ensure the region against the threat of French occupation.

          The key to Britain’s presence in Egypt and the Sudan (Egypt’s backdoor and the source of the Nile) was the Suez Canal, opened in 1869. The new quick route to India had to be safeguarded.

    • I will venture to assume that by this Churchill was referring to the Christian (European) world as opposed to the heathen uncivilized world. Science was initially suppressed by the Catholic church (think Galileo) but flourished under a reformed Protestant church (age of enlightenment). The arms of science I assume to be a metaphor for actual firearms, military superiority and the industrial power of the West that scientific advancements of the 19th century provided to protect and advance Western civilization.

    • The objective study of the physical universe came from the objective study of God… .

      The Left loves to pretend that science is antithetical to Christ and his church, but no Christian fears objective reason, as God is purely objective.

      And paradoxically, the Left truly has no use for the objective nature of science, and you’ll find that without exception, the only ‘science’ that the Left will raise up, is the subjective and wholly fraudulent ‘interpretation’ of science. The best examples I can think of would be the Eugenics of the early 20th century and of course the hysteria being witnessed regarding ‘climate change’.

  4. No wonder the Freaking BIG Mouth in the White House took the bust of this Hero out of the People’s House. Obama is an Islamic Sympathizer to put it mildly. His actions define himself as an enemy of the West and the USA. Time to Impeach Obama.

    • Roscoe Bonifitucci
      Your ‘friend’ in the Whitehouse returned the bust as it was on loan and time was up.

      And to straighten something else out, when Michelle visited the Queen it was the Queen that put her arm around Michelle first and Michelle responded. I just put this here as being a Brit in the US I have found many, mainly rabid republicans , have been the victims of Chinese whispers that turned the whole thing round accusing Michelle of a massive faux pas.

      It’s people like you that makes us in civilised Europe think the US is a clown car. Bush you should hand over to the Haig to be tried for war crimes. We will make Blaire pay yet. Obama saved the US; the car industry, banking , people’s homes, stock market up 1000 points, giving prisoners long needed justice, restored US reputation from being a pariah to something approaching sane with a more considered approach to diplomacy, rights for gay people as equal human beings as per your own constitution and most importantly , save the planet with his environmental international agreements. What with excessive heat, drought, soil erosion, floods, the loss of pollinating insects, the acidification of the seas and overpopulation the world is in a dire state. He may just have really done much to ensure we have a future. I just wish he would do more for education especially in biology. That men have nipples is because every baby is female until the hormonal system and genetics kick in then depending on the timing you can be anything from female, asexual, gay and LASTLY heterosexual. Sexually and gender are fluid. So all this absolute mind bending ignorance should be taken on then perhaps we can live as equal human being with finally true equal rights. All we need to do then is get rid of religion.

      I wish we had Obama at home, Osbourne with his austerity will strangle the country. You have to get money flowing to create an economy, as was done in the 1930s, Osbourne will cause havoc. Unemployment rate USA 5% , UK , a lot more and people suffering hell.

      • I’m also a Brit, in America for 30 years. If you are so sophisticated and we are clowns why don’t you return to the Socialist Eutopia you came from and be as miserable as my relatives are. Enjoy the Muslim invasion first hand. Personally I’m proud to be AMERICAN, actually I should be more accurate I’m proud to be TEXAN. Yes we do have 50,000,000 guns and this is the last place ISIS wants to mess with.
        Life member of the NRA and rapid Republican.

      • I was going with you but I knew it went down hill when you mentioned gay marriage. Then you brought up the classic – “sexuality is fluid” line (that has nothing to do with the topic, by the way) and killed it off with the “get rid of religion”.

        I just wish I find more balanced, moderate political thinkers on the internet. Everyone seems either far left or far right..

        • There’s quite literally no such thing as a moderate. Because there is no such thing as a ‘far’ right or Left.

          These two poles are set in natural law… and one is either able to recognize these principles or one is not.

          The Moderate is defined as one who wishes to mingle equal quantities of right and wrong… due to some undefined and unsustainable notion of fairness.

          It appears that you understand gender is not fluid… so you may also be capable of understanding that the laws of nature are not subject to antiquation, and they do not become less relevant to viability due to the fickle nature of populism.

      • Ya thanks for the 1,000 year war. Oh it is close to 1,400 years now. There has been war and mass killing since the beginning of Islam starting with your Prophet. Where is the peace? There has never been peace in Islam starting with yourselves. If you want to worship the moon god of war, don’t claim you are a religion of peace. I know that that is the pratice of taquia; (oh lying to the infidels).Permissible under the teaching of the Koran. The more you adhere to the Koran the more you will want to kill and follow it’s teachings. It is a spiritual issue. And you will know them by their fruits (results of there actions) not their words. Radical Islam is not radical to Islam just a different level of Jihad. At some levels of Jihad you must just get into the country and then increase your numbers; create no red flags now; we are peaceful Muslims, (Taquia). And yes I have read your koran.

  5. It is amazing that there is such faulty understanding of Islam and Muslims in the Western mind. See how many Muslims the western countries have killed in Algeria (1 million by the French), India during British rule, the unprovoked attack by Australia and New Zealand in Turkey, the dismantling of the Ottoman Empire, the recent attacks on Bosnia and Kosovo, and most recent wars on Iraq and Afghanistan based on manufactured lies. This list can be expanded. British politician George Gallaway once asked “Have you seen Arab armies sitting in London”?
    Surely I expect all civilized and educated Westerners to be objective; look at what Israel is doing to the Palestinians.

    Wake up and smell the coffee.

    • No there are no Arab armies in London (in the conventional sense of the definition of the word ‘armies’) but there ARE increasing groups of Shariah Police Youths operating – that is their army. 50 years from now, God help everyone (including aestheist and agnostic Muslims) who don’t want this vile and regressive mentality in their country. They only want to stop it is to impose incredibly strong prison tariffs on UK born Shariah supporters (like life sentences) and deportation of those who were not born in the UK . I’d also ban all face covering veils. If you lay down tough lines, it will have an effect. Plus I’d certainly stop all this cow towing to all Muslims in the UK – in regards to no serving pork in schools, work places et cetera. I think the ‘when in Rome…’ adage needs to be pointed out to those who don’t want to conform. Bottom line – it would reduce me to tears if the UK became like Indonesia, ‘x’ amount of years from now. Sadly I suspect it will – coming soon – the great non Muslim European migration to Poland, Slovakia, et cetera plus – the Americas, Australia, New Zealand, Iceland and the Caribbean.

    • India? How about muslims killing 60-80 million, the country split in half as a result of jihad.

      How about the ottoman slave trade, 25 million, and an undetermined amount who are captured but never survive the trip, the middle passage, and the rest. It might be as high as 4 out of 5 dying at the hands of their captors. That is a possibility of 125 million dead, by muslim hands.

      How about the Christians that were in Lebanon, were in Egypt (ages ago), were in the ME, until in the 7th century a barbaric warlord calling himself a prophet, though he prophesied nothing, and worked no miracles, decided to convert at the point of a sword, to force a payment of jizzya given on one knee as a dimmh, or was killed. The Sura 9 Verse of the Sword, can remind you if somehow you’ve forgotten your duty as a muslim?

      Deaths at the hands of muslims, unprovoked, as they slaughtered and converted across Arabia was hardly rare, and anyone who has been a neighbor of muslims will tell you, they are lousy neighbors. Just ask the Hindus.

    • Well said – what a double standard ! Why did French went to Morocco ,Algeria ,Lebanon etc. Why did British go to India in first place and how many they had killed to occupy the it . West should meddling in other countries matters But it’s such a hypocrisy that it’s all about stealing resources –
      Please read Winston Churchill’s sister in law’s letter which she wrote to him worrying that he’s so influenced by Muslim’s culture and Islam that he might covert 🙁 good luck to everyone . Love and peace for all . !!

  6. The Ottoman Empire was a murderer…genocide at that. Unless you have forgotten the fate of innocent Armenians – all 1,500,00 (yes 1.5 million) of them. Women were raped and then crucified naked. How about that?

  7. Back and forth we go. Please keep in mind that MAN is a treacherous and unforgiving animal when caught up in the throes of any religion. It is a human weakness that will never be completely eradicated, because it is the POWER BASE for much of the Elite of the world. One can only hope that at some point in the future people will wake up and realize they have been enslaved by this superstitious nonsense primarily because we fear the loss of a father figure in our lives, as did the ancient hunter gatherer societies, so we created the eternal father figures and the belief systems that we die for to this very day

    • Man, like any other animal, is governed by their own subjective nature.

      Religion; which is to say the objective pursuit of God’s greater purpose of man, is all that separates mankind from the lower species.

      In truth, the Ideological Left rests entirely in Relativism…

      Relativism: the collectivist doctrine which holds that knowledge, truth, and morality exist only in relation, or relative to one’s culture, society, or historical context and, as such, can never be the result of soundly reasoned (objective) absolutes.

      Relativism, as the name implies, rejects objectivity.

      Objectivity is an essential element of truth, trust, morality and justice.

      Where truth is relative to the subjective needs, wants and desires of the individual, then truth becomes ‘relative’ to everyone and, as a result, is otherwise exclusionary from any other ‘truth’.

      From this addled species of reasoning, it becomes unlikely that one person can ‘believe’ or ‘trust’ that another’s point of view represents, thus is, ‘truth’, therefore undermining any means for ‘trust’.

      Absent truth and trust, the potential for any commonly recognized sense of morality is impossible.

      And absent morality, there is nothing on which Justice can rest, as everyone has their own version of what is right and what it wrong, so justice to one person is injustice to the next.

      And without justice, there is no basis for any sort of sustainable freedom, as all that is even possible, at BEST least toward anarchy, which is to say war.

      Which is pretty much all that humanity ever knew prior to the Enlightenment, through which the species came to discover the objective reasoning which provided for the last two and a half centuries of theretofore unprecedented freedom and prosperity, which is presently in rapid decline due to the return to subjective, relativist reasoning.

      Therein we can readily see that the assurances of the Ideological Left that they are advocates of Progress, are deceits fraudulently advanced, as a means to influence the ignorant… as the Left leads humanity into regression.

    • You might enjoy this: From “The Damned Human Race,” in “Letters from the Earth” by Mark Twain:

      “Man is the Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion – several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself, and cuts his throat if his theology isn’t straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother’s path to happiness and heaven.”
      After a few more lines, he concludes: ” The higher animals have no religion. And we are told that they are going to be left out, in the Hereafter. I wonder why? It seems questionable taste.”

  8. There isn’t a leader in the world today that could stand up to Churchill’s courage or intelligence. He pegged islam as it was and still is, an abomination. Armageddon will take care of it once and for all. Come soon Lord.

  9. […] Winston Churchill was one of the greatest leaders of the 20th Century, who served as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom during World War II and again from 1951 to 1955. He was also a historian, writer and artist. He is the only British Prime Minister to have been awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature, and was the first person to be made an honorary citizen of the U.S. following the Second World War.  More […]

  10. We Claim the privilege to worship almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience and allow all men (and Women) the same privilege, let them worship God how, where and what they may.
    All religions and governments should agree with this statement. When a person’s choice is obstructed by a belief or thought or person or government, their God given earthly rights are taken away.

  11. I esp. enjoyed the commenter who wrote “Jesus tells us to love our enemies and pray for them”. Jesus would have said you have God given common sense too! Really, how would you know what God said, the Catholic church has hidden, changed and removed so much of God’s word, you couldn’t say for sure what Jesus really said! The fact is, Islam is an untolerating, evil, unpeaceful religious cult. As a so called Christian you should actually read what the words of their holy books teach. It oppresses women and girls period! It allows for beating your wife albeit with rules of course. It has one goal and one goal only and it is not to take refuge in your country and assimilate. It is with the goal and idea of you eventually conforming to their ideals. Most of the middle eastern people who practice Islam, do not even know how to read, all they know is to follow the rules and rituals they are taught to follow from birth. Most know nothing of what is in their holy books and the women know even less than that. In fact they are taught to not ask questions or question why because in their holy book it states not to question Allah or Muhammad period. It is stupid westerners like ourselves who have no concept of their ways and people like you who defend it have no idea about what Islam really is but you should educate yourself. I implore you to read some writings of a brilliant man from Syria, a poet, activist, an outspoken man about Islam, written by a man 86 years old from Syria. Who grew up and has lived among the tyranny, who has watched war all of 86 years he has been alive with no end in sight. Adunis or Adonis is his pen name and you should search him and read what he has to say. These people have been engaged in war for 3000 plus years, right there common sense should throw up a warning sign. You liberal leftists love America and your freedom so much, Islam provides none of what you enjoy so much!

    • There is only ONE advocacy to be found in support of Islam in the West… and that advocacy rest EXCLUSIVELY in the Ideological Left.

      Which, it should be noted, that Islam sits second to the volume of death and destruction committed by the humanist (Anti-theist) Left.

      In truth, Islam is not a religion, per se… Islam is a Demonic Political Cult posing as a religion. While the Ideological Left is a Demonic Religion posing as a Political Cult. They fit hand in glove with one another, as they are both manifestations of the same evil.

  12. Lies Islam propagate about their religion.
    Islam is a religion of peace. Islam is not much different from Christianity and Judaism. Jihad is an internal struggle not a war against infidels. Muslims don’t actively seek to live under Sharia law, let alone impose it on others. America is safe from Sharia law. A Caliphate is just a fanciful dream. Addressing frustration, poverty, joblessness, and climate change will end terrorism. Critics against Islam are bigots. Islam respects the rights of women. Iran can be trusted with a nuclear weapon. The Muslum Brotherhood are a moderate, mainstream Islamic group. Islam respect freedom of speech. Why is there right or left? How about the plain truth?

    • There is only one Truth, for He is the Spirit of Truth and He cannot lie, and His name is not Allah, for He will not have any part of a lie. Those who stand on His truth have the indwelling of His Holy Spirit inside of them, and all your words will not change that. Muslims receive the spirit of the moon god of war and lying is part of their doctrine. You can say and believe anything you want, but the Truth stands forever. If you stand with the Truth you will totally understand, and if you don’t you won’t. It is not our truth but the Truth. The problem now is to those who reject the Truth, is that a spirit of delusion is working in there lives.
      2nd Thessalonians 2:10-12
      10. And with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
      11. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
      12. That they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

      The problem is a spiritual one that can be addressed in no other way. Yes liberalism has its roots in delusion as well for the same reasons. Their verbage cannot stand against the Truth but it can stand against those who do not have the Truth

  13. Putting his biasness and cultural heritage dismay aside, the prophet who experienced his experiences with Allah had temporal lobe epilepsy, and thought he met the Creator (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/793843 and http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/05/was_muhammad_an_epileptic_.html ). His TLE has evoked a behavior not uncommon to other prophets and mystics, and initiated the route by which Muslims fear the health and fate of their child when he/she develops seizures during childhood (https://brianaltonenmph.com/2016/05/23/another-interpretation-of-epilepsy-will-we-be-ready/ and https://wordpress.com/stats/insights/altonenb.wordpress.com ). I have seen these behaviors prevail in the health behaviors of many an Muslim family (https://wordpress.com/stats/insights/altonenb.wordpress.com ) and understand the grief such a belief system brings to the parents and relatives. Those are the consequences of Muhammed’s substitutions for the truths.

  14. Islam’s message is to destroy all states and governments anywhere on the face of the Earth which are opposed to the ideology and programme of Islam regardless of the country or the nation which rules it. The purpose of Islam is to set up a state on the basis of its own ideology and programme, regardless of which nation assumes the role of the standard bearer of Islam or the rule of which nation is undermined in the process of the establishment of an ideological Islamic state. It must be evident that the objective of Islamic ‘Jihad’ (armed struggle) is to eliminate the rule of an un-Islamic system and establish in its stead an Islamic system of state rule. Islam does not intend to confine this revolution to a single state or a few countries; the aim of Islam is to bring about a universal revolution.” (ruba Qewar/ ruba_qewar@yahoo.com)

  15. You Invade another country and expect them to just sit around.Where is your common sense.I mean u are blaming those Pashtuns for defending their homeland against British imperialist and linking it with terrorism.
    I am pretty sure that if England was invaded by Germany the British would do the same.

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